Letter from Edward Troup to the Under Secretary of the State for India, 19 July 1916
Mr. Chamberlain's information the following observations on
the despatch from the Indian Government copy of which
accompanied your letter of the 5th instant. The removal of Criminal Lunatics to this country
under the provisions of the Colonial Prisoner Removal Act,
1884, is not of very frequent occurrence and the cases in
which such a course may be desirable vary so much that it is
difficult to make any general statement as to the practice in
dealing with them subsequently to the removal. In Mr. Samuel's opinion the governing fact is that
under the Criminal Lunatics Act, 1884, the Home Secretary is
responsible for all Criminal Lunatics in England: reports on
them are made to him not less than once a year and under
section 4 of the Act consideration has to be given at least
once in every three years to the question whether the lunatic
can be safely discharged or whether any other action should
be taken in regard to him. The determination of this question
at any particular time must of course depend not only on the
man's mental and physical health, and the possibility of
relapse into active insanity, but also on the nature of his
crime, on his history before becoming a Criminal Lunatic and
his prospects in the event of discharge from the asylum. In
the case of a lunatic sent from India, the Indian Government
would be consulted on these points and this would be
specially necessary in the case of a man who had been
certified insane while undergoing Penal Servitude in India. If The Under Secretary of State for India, Public Department, India Office. 2 If such a one were to recover his sanity before the
expiration of his term of Penal Servitude it would be a
question whether he should be remitted to prison as
contemplated by Section 3 of the Act of 1884 or discharged
and in the latter case what conditions (if any) should be
attached to the discharge. If there was a substantial
portion of the sentence still unexpired or if the sentence
was one for life, it would be the desire of this Department
to consult the India Government before taking steps for
releasing the man from custody; and it is extremely
unlikely that a discharge would ever be authorized without
consulting them, but in view of his responsibilities under
the Criminal Lunatics Act, 1884, the Home Secretary would
not feel it right to accept custody of an insane prisoner
from India except on the condition that this powers under
the Act remain intact with regard to the case. It will be understood that this applies only to
England and Wales. The Secretary of State has no
jurisdiction in this matter in Scotland and Ireland: and
the Criminal Lunatics Act, 1884, extends only to England
and Wales. Prisoners sent to England from India to serve a
sentence of Penal Servitude stand on a different footing
from lunatics as the sentence can only be remitted by the
Indian Government, but here too it is conceivable that for
reasons arising since a convict's removal from India and
unconnected with the offence of which he has been convicted,
such as his state of health or the assistance rendered by
him to the Prison Authorities in an emergency, it might
become desirable in accordance with the practice followed
in the case of other convicts to allow his release on
licence earlier than in the ordinary course and in such an
event the decision to release should, in Mr. Samuel's
opinion, rest with the Home Secretary rather than with the
Government of India. I am, etc. . (Sd.) Edward Troup.
Letter from Sir Edward Troup (1857-1941), Under Secretary of Home State, to Baron Islington (1866-1936), Under Secretary of India regarding the removal of Criminal Lunatics to England under the provisions of the Colonial Prisoner Removal Act. In this letter, written in accordance to Mr. Herbert Samuel's directions, Troup suggests that such decisions should be made by the Home Secretary rather than the Government of India. John Poynder Dickson-Poynder, Baron Islington (1866–1936), politician and colonial administrator, the only son of the four children of Rear-Admiral John Bourmaster Dickson (1815–1876), and his first wife, Sarah Matilda. Having not achieved government office in the House of Commons, Dickson-Poynder in 1910 accepted the offer of appointment as governor-general of New Zealand, and, on 27 April 1910, was created Baron Islington of Islington. In 1911 he was sworn of the privy council and appointed KCMG. But in 1912 he resigned his governorship in order to become chairman of the royal commission on the public services in India. He was appointed GCMG in 1913 and in 1914–15 was under-secretary of state for the colonies. From 1915 to 1918 he was under-secretary of state for India.Herbert Samuel (1870-1963), liberal politician, served as Home Secretary of the British Government 1916. During the Great War he initiated legislation which offered thousands of Russian refugees a choice between conscription into the British Army, or returning to Russia for military service. Samuel resigned as Home Secretary following Asquith's replacement by David Lloyd George.
- Edward Troup
- The Under Secretary of the State for India
- 1916-07-19T00:00:00
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- Place
- Home Office, Whitehall, London, England
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- Place
- Public Department, India Office
- Mentioned in
- Letter from Edward Troup to the Under Secretary of the State for India, 19 July 1916